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Well then....the egr cooler that got towed in from my previous post...repeat EGR/Oil cooler again. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/banghead.gif I had to contact hotline since its a repeat repair. They said "No known concerns with repeat egr/oil cooler failures." But.....check the block heater for corrosion and settling in oil cooler causing blockage? Removed block heater, wow its corroded..not too bad but still getting replaced... I'm sure that whoever spilled the beans on "we had a bad run of oil/egr coolers cuz casting" was fired because they have no idea what im talking bout when i mentioned it. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif

ASE's i honestly believe are biased to GM's and thus im not for them. When i went to UTI majority of the courses touched on GM systems. They had a whole course on GM drivebility, then grouped another course of Ford and import. I am proud of going to UTI because that got me into FTI ( 8 kids a year taught in 10 years of class training in 6 months ). What still gets me to this day is the stupider you are, the more money you make. I actually get tired of doing mindless work. I hate flushes, brakejobs are ok, balljoints are ok. I love the challenge, but i hate explaining to the manager why i spent a day on a intermittant drivebility concern and Ford only pays you little. This is why Ford is in a slum IMHO. Repeat repairs... parts being thrown on cars because the tech needs to get paid for "the time he spent trying to get the vehicle to act up." You have guys who get pissed off because they arent getting paid for NPF's so they throw something on the car. THen it comes back for the same exact conern. More parts thrown on the car... Then you wonder why we see in bold yellow highlighted messages like " DO NOT REPLACE MAF's, O2's FOR LEAN CODES.." or " DO NOT REPLACE COILS WITHOUT A STRESS TEST, 90% of coils returned are good" Techs miss soo many steps and a lot of time overlooking the obvious because of SLT's. I catch myself getting flustered and pissed off because i have to make a certain amount of hours and i know ford wont pay shit to fix the trucks drivebility. But then i walk away, grab another ticket... come back to the truck, and figure it out.

ford sent out a ssm saying colors of fuels dont matter anymore.

Just got one towed in with water out of the tailpipe

yea guys i did all the usual that u are recomending. What i found was after 25min of driving, all of a sudden ECT was at 173.6 constantly, and then EOT ramped up to 253.0 degrees ( i had to adjust values on bar graph to see how hot it got ). Going to do the egr cooler also if its getting that hot ( hotline said never do a oil cooler without a egr cooler ). This one is the one with ported injectors. Also pressure never goes over 15psi so im good.

Keith all the time over here. Restricted oil cooler usually causes that from what ive seen.

I have a 2004 excursion that used to be heavily modded. The guy returned it to stock except for a huge intercooler, and 5in exhaust. We did headgaskets, oil cooler, egr cooler 9 months ago because they were blown from the mods he had on it. Then came in for a heatercore leaking 3 months ago. Now he is in for "coolant smell on hard accel." No degas bottle over-flow, pressure test passes, no leaks nada. What i am thinking (correct me if im wrong) is that the gas cap is venting just a little bit because of the hard accel. It has 19K on the odo. Coolant is a thin black color, smells horrible... i mean horrible. What do you guys think?

I had a EGR valve that did that, passed all tests multiple times. Vehicle would blow crapload of black smoke, super slow til at about 3000rpm then would pick up. Tried a EGR valve... Walla fixed it.

Early 03 rear turbo bolt that is siezed and wont come out no matter what... Use a 17mm turbo socket (stripped bolt heard extractor) and put it over the bolt and washer. Then get a stubby 3/8 and a prybar.... works every single time.

Keep you guys up to date..... Truck has been done for a day now but the boom is broken so its stuck in one of the bays until they (meade electrics mechanics) figure out whats wrong with it. And from the picture u can see the boom is sideways. It took 1.5 hours to move it into that position so they told me " oh yea, we're having a problem with the boom"

Yes that is. A trashy one that makes our days awesome. So far we have had 4 FBI stings, plenty of cops crusing around in their. ALOT of interesting characters. I'm waiting to see it on an episode of cops.

I will never do a headgasket for overheating issues because i believe that they are not the cause. This actually had a external leak from the headgaskets. that is the only reason im doing them. I cleaned it off a million times and it started barely leaking out in the middle of the head.

Well gentlemen, this is all i got done today, got pulled off a good amount. Spent 2-3 hours with the aftermarket wiring and unwiring a control box for teh PTO in the back that was going to the cab. Rock, you need to inform me on how the hell you do this job in chasis. I dont know of anyone that does it in chasis. Especially torqueing those fluggin bolts down 90degrees 3 times in chasis. I think if it was a normal cab without all the wiring, i could get it up in 2 hours.

We guys im doing my first headgasket job on the ol 6.0. I will post pix. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/drinkingdude.gif

Keith, the tool is straight forward, we used it on a evan 6.0. However the readings u get and sample readings with descritions of whats happening " IMO " are very confusing. The other diesel tech called hotline with his readings to clarify what the hell was going on and they did more confusing then clarifying. I think its very confusing and unless the turbo is completely stick, its not worth crap.

You seem to be very well off..... how long have "your guys" been doing this?

Thats the stupidest thing ive ever seen in my entire life.

So your guys get $100K a year? now thats canadian money. whats the transfer in real money. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cheers.gif

Did ANYBODY ELSE READ THESE? Questions submitted by News 8 On Your Side to Ford Motor Company DOES FORD FEEL IT WAS NECESSARY TO REMOVE THE CAB TO MAKE THIS REPAIR? We have provided service technicians very specific instructions on how to service these new spark plugs. If followed, this should be routine maintenance and cost about the same as similar service for other engines. While we don't know all of the specifics of this repair, Ford F-150 engine repair procedures, including disassembling the engine, do not require removing the cab. WHY WOULD ANY MECHANIC FEEL THEY WOULD BE UNABLE TO ACCESS THE PLUGS WITHOUT REMOVING THE CAB? Even if a technician needed to remove an engine, the recommended repair procedures do not include removing the cab. WAS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THE DESIGN OF THE TRITON ENGINE THAT WOULD MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO ACCESS THE PLUGS IN THIS MODEL OF THE FORD F-150? The 2004 F-150 was a completely redesigned and re-engineered model that included a new 5.4-liter engine design with innovative spark plugs that increased power, capability, durability and fuel economy. As with any new technology, Ford has worked with Ford dealers and repair shops to provide service guidelines to help them quickly understand the new design. Dealers quickly adopted the new procedures and have reported few issues. THE TRITON ENGINE WAS REDESIGNED RECENTLY - WHY? The most significant redesign of the F-150's 5.4-liter Triton V-8 was for the 2004 model (in 2003 calendar year) when we upgraded it to a three-valve-per-cylinder design with innovative new spark plugs that increased power, capability, durability and fuel economy. As the truck leader for 30 consecutive years, this is yet another example of how Ford continues to deliver the most innovative, most capable and most durable pickups on the market. RECENTLY A TSB (TECH SERVICE BULLETIN) WAS ISSUED TO FORD DEALERS ON THE TRITON ENGINE - WHAT WAS THE BULLETIN DEALING WITH? We have provided service technicians very specific instructions on how to service these new spark plugs. If followed, this should be routine maintenance and cost about the same as similar service for other engines. A Technical Service Bulletin with spark plug removal procedure and a removal tool was released in July 2006. HOW MANY 2004 F-150'S ARE ON THE ROAD TODAY BASED ON THE BEST INFORMATION FORD HAS? We don't provide specific F-150 sales figures but 5.4-liter V-8-powered models generally represent 60 percent of sales. That roughly translates into about 350,000 2004 F-150s with the 5.4-liter Triton V-8 engine. Can you believe the ignorance of the news reporter after reading all that and Ford saying ummm... they should not have charged $2000 and/or taken the cab off..... the dumbass still did the story. I love it.

I'm not going to lie, 90% of the ones I see are corroded so off with it.

Keith, I can't believe that you haven't seen the plugs break yet. We had 2 handsful before the tool came out and we made our own tools and our own procedures for getting them out. All i know is the gas techs now get the truck warm ( not hot ) turn the plug 1/8 turn, put that new penetrate in the plug holes, let them sit for 3-4 hours and walla they come out like butter. Just my /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/2cents.gif

We have had 3-4 5.4 3v trucks in the past year that get towed in from an independent shop and the owners said they wanted us to take the broken spark plug out because the indy shop wanted to take the cab off and didnt know what to do. Thats what the dumbass owner should have done. Also it was stupid for Ford to pay for it, that further fueled in the ignorance of the reporter.

On the Ford Forums: Here is a story of a local guy took his 2004 F-150 to an independent local garage for a tuneup, They said cab needed to come off. UNBELIEVABLE. Text posted below but here is link with pictures: http://www.wgal.com/news/13763192/detail.html Popular Pickup May Harbor 100,000-Mile Surprise AKRON, Pa. -- What should have been a simple maintenance job turned into a $2,000 ordeal for a Lancaster County pickup truck owner and a mechanic. Larry Ross said he bought his 2004 Ford F-150 in August 2006. The truck had nearly 100,000 miles on it, but Ross said it was in great shape. Ross took the truck to his mechanic a few months ago to keep it running smoothly. IMAGES: Mechanics Pull Apart Ross' Truck "We were just going to do a routine spark plug check as recommended by Ford at 100,000 miles," Ross said. Ross said that the job should have been done in one day and cost no more than $200. But there was a problem. Ross said his mechanic realized he wasn't going to be able to get to all of the spark plugs inside the engine. The only way he could get to all eight of them was by removing the entire cab of the truck, according to Ross. The mechanic said that he had never seen the type of spark plug that was inside the F-150. He said the plug is twice as long as normal and has a metal sleeve on it. "When you rotate this spark plug and try to extract it, then you break this thing loose and it pulls out, leaving this piece into the head," said one mechanic. The only way to get to the broken pieces and change the plugs was to take the cab off the truck, the mechanic said. Eight on Your Side consumer reporter Brian Roche asked the mechanic about the problem. Roche: "How did you feel as the mechanic calling the owner of this vehicle saying, 'Listen, this simple little job is going to become a major situation?'" Mechanic: "How would you feel getting the phone call saying that your $200 tune-up is now gonna be $2,000 or more?" Ross said he had no problem with what his mechanic did. Ross said Ford told him the issue wasn't their problem. Roche called Ford, telling them, "We think this is an issue that would be of interest to all vehicle owners." While News 8 waited for a statement from Ford, Ross got a letter from the company and a check for almost the entire cost of his repair. A Ford spokesman in Detroit told Roche that the cab of the truck did not have to be removed to make the repair. But Roche said it's apparent that Ford realizes there's an issue because last year the company issued specific instructions and a special tool to remove the spark plugs from the Ford Triton engine. The truck in News 8's story had a lot of miles on it. As other owners take their 2004 Ford F-150s in for the 100,000-mile maintenance, they could face the same spark plug problem. There are about 350,000 Ford F-150 pickups from model year 2004.

Rock, i saw an issue of diesel performance i think, and ithad aftermarket 6.4 injectors already. That was the add, how true, i dunno.

Keith my hotline guy sent oscilloscope samples that they should look at, good and bad for me to compare with that.