Brad Clayton

rockbronco (or is it rockyota yet?), I'm glad Ford is not consulting you on time studies!

 

Just curious, are you removing the evap box when doing them in chassis? How many have you done to get them that dialed in? And last but not least how old are you?

 

I never have hustled working under the flat rate system and the older I get the less hustle I seem to have, esp. when the parts seem to get heavier.

Thank you for the link. Once again this site has got the hook up.

Diesel parts a 2 , when they look them up they have trouble finding some things even though I got the same part from the same guy 2 days ago.

 

Regular stock an 8

 

Bad inventory none

 

Dealer round up not an option in my area

 

Right parts a 10

I've got a body off a '05 and I looked at the PCM connector, all the wiring is there for a dual setup even though mine is a single. My idea is a wash.

 

Sounds like Bruce is all over the fix. Very informative post to so the least.

All those codes are for dual generators. I'm wondering if there is some mismatched parts going on. I looked at the wiring diagram and you can definetly trace the wiring back to the PCM and cluster to see if it was ariginally equipped with one or two, and the upper and single generators are interchangable but not the lower one. I've seen people cross the wires in the regulator connector, why they would do this I don't know. They usually won't charge when this happens, but you say you're charging good so I doubt that's the case.

 

Sounds like you got a real winner, wish I could say I ran into one like it with a fix.

Just worked on a '95 F-350 with 270,000 miles with all eight original injectors still in it. Truck needed a PCM, had a chip in it that fried the ROM.

The three P's are definetly the way to go with these, penetrate, patience, and persistance.

 

Either that or stay buried in diesel work and they won't be an issue.

I was told if you perform manual and it kicks out that it's not needed and everything is ok.

 

Not sure if that is the gospel or if the statement will change a month from now.

I just got back from the 6.4 class, thought i would add some things.

 

As long as the dpf is at 572 degrees F the unit will passively regen, so the ideal situation would be to work the truck hard like it was built for anyway.

 

Perform a manual regen after a repair that could have dumped excess hydro carbons into the dpf, and clear kam, our teacher said to clear kam even after fuel filter replacement.

 

A 0.00015" piece of trash is enough to wreck an injector. stressing the importance of fuel caps.

 

Keep fingers away from turbo actuator rod, if you lean against the unit while climbing around on the engine and someone cycles the key you could loose a finger.

 

Alot of ghost codes on this thing, you have to really keep your wits about ya.

 

Maf_HZ can now be used as an added indicator of egr flow. It has been said that the motor can be repaired in theory by pid data only without popping the hood.

 

If you have the turbo charger heat shield off and there are bolts in the top two holes between the turbine halves, remove them because the're for assembling the units only, and if left in can cause fractures due to heat up expansion diferences.

 

These items may be a rehash of what you already know. I think the idea of having fuel pressure in the 25000 psi range in the injectors and being returned imediately to the fuel cooler at 3 to 8 psi is pretty neat trick. The fuel cooler is gonna look kinda funny or messy if the crush washer or injector cup goes out.

I did not intend to derail this topic, I was just trying to clear up my earlier post about the fiasco. I don't really think it needs anything else added to it as the other sites have said it all, that's why I didn't think of opening a new post.

 

Now don't get me wrong when it comes to my position on independent shops. I have close working relationships with a few in my area and they are a good group of automotive repair type folks. It's the generalization of the term independent shop excluding the ones that rise above that are going to have trouble keeping up.

 

I think it's the big three's intention to put them all out of business by buring them with technology overkill, well that and the dang goverment.

puter is running slow today and I double clicked the submit button.

give this a whirl. http://www.wgal.com/news/13763192/detail.html

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You guys didn't see this? It's all over the fmc boards and made the local news where the guy lives. The guy took his '04 F-150 to a local garage for a tune up. One of the spark plugs stayed in the head (big suprise). The guy working on it said he had to pull the cap off to fix it and that's what he did, charging the owner $2000 in the process. The local news got wind of it and came down to the shop and had the story on the breaking news that night on tv. It is reported that Ford heard the story and they paid the guys repair bill, why I'm not sure.

 

I don't have the link handy at the moment or I would include it, sorry. If anybody has it feel free to put it up, it's rather interesting reading in a sad way. Especially when the local dealer, most likely in the same town, has the tools to get 'em out quickly and cheaply.

The way I see it as of now, if Ford continues to turn out products such as the 6.4L customers will have no choice but to return to the dealer.

 

This is a very precise and vulnerable powertrain and I don't see the majority of the indies getting with the program and repairing them out of warranty when the time comes.

 

The problem is getting people to understand this and have their vehicles serviced with us thru the life of the vehicle and not just for warrantable concerns.

 

All to many times they find out the hard way and return to the dealer as a last result from going all around town wasting time and money (one ex. the fellow who's cab got pulled off to do a set of spark plugs) and ending up at the dealer to have if finally fixed right, after many wasted dollars.

The dealer I used to work at was so big, that their policy was any service advisor caught turning away work would be sent home for three days without pay. No matter what the job was. This was a popular idea with them. If you got into a fight with another co worker, you didn't get fired you got three days off. They must have been ex high school principles or something.

 

BTW I have an '88 ranger with a fuel injected 5.0l t-5 5sp and 3.27 limited slip, driven daily during the summer, most reliable highly modified rig I have ever driven.

Our service advisors are the worst for "guiding" the diagnostic process instead of just writing down what the customer says their vehicle is doing. I don't know how many times I've been tempted to call the customer an hour after they have dropped their car to see if their complaint matches what's on the R.O.

 

That hyperlink is awesome by the way. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/thumbup.gif

I performed the ultimate wiggle test this weekend. Had an '05 with very intermitant drop off in power (hiccup). Truck was also venting out degas bottle. Test drove numerous times with no verification for the stumble. Truck needed head gaskets so I told the guy I would go ahead and fix what I knew was wrong.

 

Replaced the head gaskets and upon test drive truck wouldn't go over half throttle, cutout horrible. Spit out code p0336 and the sync would go to no with very erratic rpm pid. While doing the head gaskets and moving the harness around all over the place I "stumbled" upon his hiccup problem. I replaced the harness and all is well.

Just read page 28 and reminded me of a "turning a blind eye" incident. '02 7.3l with a cracked block. Truck is modified to the gills. Called the hotline for prior approval and the first question out of the guys mouth is what size tires are on it? I swear the guy had a crystal ball or something, cause the truck had 35's or bigger can't remember now. Then he wants to know the other mods. ends up telling me if I can short block it for the cost cap then nothing will be said. Wow... guy got his truck fixed for $100.

Speaking of, have you seen the new end of oasis reports? we are now required to fill out radio forms instead of parts.

I think it's a trip when you're out in public with you're uniform on (which I am always in, it seems) and anyone near you will start a conversation about an auto repair story. I here them most of the time while standing in lines to pay for things, the conversations almost never involve me but are loud enough that ease dropping requires no effort. I find the power of suggestion absolutely amazing.

Normally when I do fuel filters I will change the top filter and suck out the fuel before replaceing the filter, then do the bottom filter. While replacing a noisy fuel pump the other day I noticed the top filter housing was empty when I went to replace the secondaary filter, not needing to remove the excess fuel. Unlike the 6.4 these units don't seem to be affected by the air brought on by removing a fuel line. Only takes a second to remove the supply line from the manifold while underneath to allow for the bowl to empty just enough to make room for the second filter. This is only helpful if finding a tool to reomve fluid is unhandy.

Update with fix. Tech working on truck removed ckp sensor and looked in hole while turning motor and found a bent tooth. He raised engine and dropped pan down and trie to straighten the tooth (the motor had shifted in the crate while being shipped). Redrove and still no good. Called hotline and they said the slightest knick in the trigger wheel can cause issues. The only way to get the wheel is to get a crank and they said replacing the crank could cause bedplate issues. Which is why the truck is in the shop in the first place. So hotline said put another short block in it.

 

This advice was followed and truck is done and on the road. Another hard lesson to look replacement parts over really well.

I used to avoid customers like the plague. Now that I have some years on me, that postion has changed. We have a rash of new customers coming thru buying used 6.0 liters and I have gone out of my way to talk to them about care and feeding of their new beast. It's pretty neat to here the positive feedback from them.

 

Quick story on overselling: anyone ever heard of Lane Construction? They're one of the biggest outfits in the northeast. They came down to South Carolina to widen about 20 miles of I-85. It was considered a small side project for them. They must have a gagillion dollars worth of equipment. They pop into our dealer with a foremans truck that needs some attention, our dealer was at the last exit of the 2 to 3 lane expansion project. Unfortunatly the truck is dispatched to one of our "pay the farm off on one customer" techs. He does is usuall gouging routine and not one person that touched the ro had the presence of mind to head off the coming disaster. They approved the work, then paided the bill and never stepped foot in the dealer again. There are about 7 dealers in a 45 mile radius of that area and someone willing to use some common sense on fixing what a vehicle needs and can get by with or without picked up their business.

 

As far as the project went, they finished it ahead of schedule and under budget, saving lots of lives in the process. That stretch of I-85 around mile marker 19 was dangerous. It was said that your chances of making it thru alive were around 80%, if raining 50% if raining and at night "slim to none".

Anyone had a coil spring 4x4 apart yet? The spindle bearing has been moved to the 4x4 hub and not in the bearing assy anymore. Very time and cost saving on everyones part to service now. We get a lot of spindle bearing failures up here, and most of the time it's no big deal because the ball joints are due also, but now instead of the customer paying a ton to have them serviced it can be done at a regular interval reasonably.

 

I've tried both of Keiths methods, number 2 when it had a dually adapter bolted on to keep rotor in place. But I agree with what is said here, it's nice to get everything apart and give the customer thier moneys worth. Even if you work at a snails pace you won't lose time.

It's amazing how just a little effort put forth can head off disasters... putting a floor mat in a brand new car in for first service, putting the oil change reminder on windshield or resetting the oil life message, not letting a car get out of the shop with low tire pressure when in for service, you know the little things that should be done without any effort and should be common place, but if they fall to the wayside problems start to arise. Another big one is resetting radio stations to customers original presets.

 

Customer appreciation and expectations stem from the basics and without that you can't go forward with the relationship.