Tony302600 Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Do tell me what you think about the labor times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. Bedford Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 I think the times are going to cause alot of "comebacks" and unhappy 6.0l owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwayneGorniak Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 I think the times are going to cause alot of "comebacks" and unhappy 6.0l owners. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crybaby2.gif Don't forget about early retirement either. I thinks I'm getting closer to that point in life where I am ready to move into the mountains with the travel trailer, build a good ole' moonshine still and forget about this crap. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/drinkingdude.gif But then again, I've always been a sucker for punishment. Looks like a great TSB for training straight time apprentices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Bruene Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 I don't know if it will allow for enough time to do a proper flush. We'll see I guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Wow! I finally had time to look it over really good. Are they for real? I looked up just replacing the oil cooler on a 2005 F350 ---> 6.0L DIT 6642A = 5.3 and assuming that there is no other issue that leaves an additional 1.3 hours to do all that testing, replacing the degas bottle if required and flushing the system? Are you kidding? If there is a lot of oil I have spent hours getting them clean. Customers do not want to even a trace of oil when you are done but it's nearly impossible. I can get a system pretty clean but it takes a lot of flushing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHNO60 Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 YOUR RIGHT KEITH, SAME HERE. HAD AN OIL DISASTER AND ENDED UP EATING TIME JUST TO KEEP THE CUSTOMER HAPPY. THERE SEEMS TO BE A FINE LINE BETWEEN FIXING IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME AND KEEPING A CUSTOMER HAPPY FOR A RETURN VISIT. MyBE THE RIGHT WAY TO REPAIR OIL COOLER DISASTERS IS TO ORDER ALL NEW PARTS INCLUDING RADIATORS,ETC. THE 126 GAME KILLS A TECHNICIANS ABILITY TO REPAIR A VEHICLE PROPERLY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Mutter Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 why did they make a new tsb,they should have just kept it in the overflow tsb 07-21-5, everone is different some take along time to flush and some don't take as long,maybe they have a new and improved vc1 that is now fast acting and will eat the oil sludge away, just kidding,does anyone use that stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 ...maybe they have a new and improved vc1 that is now fast acting and will eat the oil sludge away, just kidding,does anyone use that stuff? I laugh at the VC1 flush when it comes to oil in the coolant on one of these. For me, I have found that either Simple Green or my favorite, Liquid Tide works best. I use our BG coolant exchanger to suck the oil out from the degas bottle where it rises to. I then fill the system with water and add the tide. I think the most important thing is to get the engine to operating temp and drive it hard to get the coolant moving. Don't forget to turn on the heater. I'll suck the oil off the top and then drain the system repeating this several times with the last few drain and fills being water only. The hard part is getting all of the oil out of the "chambers" of the degas bottle. I have removed them and cleaned them in the parts washer quite effectively but there was one that just needed to be replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Bruene Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 I just finished replacing a set of heads due to fuel in the coolant... and even that took me 4 drain and fills untill I was happy with the condition of the coolant in the degas bottle... and it was nowhere as severe as the contamination we see with oil cooler failures. Although, in our shop, the foreman will usually go to the wall with Ford to try and get a replacment engine when there is a severe oil cooler failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekanik Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 The VC-1 works for crap. I like to take the hose off of the degas bottle to drain it before I drain the radiator, since the oil will end up in there and up top on everything else. I have had decent luck with simple green and I think next time I'll try the liquid tide. I still have to flush the cooling system at least 3 times before I feel that is acceptable and it is still not perfect. I like the idea of just replacing the radiator. I think that is the hardest to clean out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony302600 Posted November 16, 2007 Author Share Posted November 16, 2007 Replacing the radiator? where does it say that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekanik Posted November 16, 2007 Share Posted November 16, 2007 OHNO6O said it. It's not in the tsb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northman Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 on a warranty vehicle if labor times get cut, as far as I'm concerned parts needed grows. Ford can either pay me to do the work or buy the parts I would have been cleaning. Pay me now or pay me later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warman Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 I've "heard" of engines being replaced for oil cooler failures - ostensibly because the contamination can't be cleaned from the water jacket.... Whether this is true or not is a matter for conjecture... With shrinking labour times, could it be possible that one day Ford will let us work on their iron if WE pay THEM enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony302600 Posted November 26, 2007 Author Share Posted November 26, 2007 Jim we put an engine in for a oil cooler failure, but that was because it was like clay in the heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchan68 Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 I've "heard" of engines being replaced for oil cooler failures - ostensibly because the contamination can't be cleaned from the water jacket.... Whether this is true or not is a matter for conjecture... With shrinking labour times, could it be possible that one day Ford will let us work on their iron if WE pay THEM enough? I just did one about a month and a half ago, on an E-Series under hotline recommendation and prior approval. Not only was the engine replaced, but so were ALL parts that coolant passes through. Even after all was said and done, I barely broke even on the job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwayneGorniak Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 I've "heard" of engines being replaced for oil cooler failures - ostensibly because the contamination can't be cleaned from the water jacket.... Whether this is true or not is a matter for conjecture... I have replaced some engines for this concern due to the fact that it was like clay or as Hotline calls it "Pudding". Hotline says that when it has mixed to the extreme point of becoming pudding, it bakes to the sides of the cylinder water jackets from the extreme combustion chamber temperatures and will not flush out. Once it has baked itself to the sides of the jackets, it creates an insulating factor that will forever overheat the cylinders and turn the sleeves blue on the insides of the cylinders also burning piston rings. The only possible way to remove this baked on builup is to hot tank the engine block. Therefore replacement is the desired repair as per hotline. I always ask myself a question when I am doing a repair: What would I do if it were mine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordMastertech Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Quote: I always ask myself a question when I am doing a repair: What would I do if it were mine? I do agree with this statement but for the case of the 6.0 it doesn't apply as I wouldn't own one of the POS. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/flamethrower.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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