robp823 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Working on a 2005 LCF for a friend.It shifts erratic.downshifts,upshifts,nuetralizes whatever it feels like.No trans light on.No engine codes.Unfortunatley i have nothing to see if there is trans codes in it.The only thing i have to go off is that i noticed that under the shifter there is some kind of actuator that keeps clicking on and off intermitenly and rapidly.I dont work for Ford anymore.I work for International.So i dont have access to check for codes.Trans fluid is full and clean.Seems like a wiring issue or possible power and ground.Anyone run into this?Or have they had problems with the shift interlock system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Clyde Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 IIRC, there was a TSB out for these early ones to reprogram the TCM for erratic shifts above 50 mph. There were also some harness issues with these, possible engine concern maybe, causing weird shifting ? From experience, alot of transmission performance issues usually ended up as engine performance causes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Amacker Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I dont work for Ford anymore.I work for International.So i dont have access to check for codes. You're a dealer tech? The IH EZ tech platforms have a trans program that will talk to this. I'm sure you know it's the same truck as a IH CF500/600/Citystar, right? Look on OnCommand for IKnow letters, use citystar as a search, there's a letter for diag and one for pulling flash codes..... Countries: CANADA, UNITED STATES, MEXICO Document ID: IK1300023 Availability: ISIS, FleetISIS Revision: 2 Major System: TRANSMISSION Created: 11/22/2006 Current Language: English Last Modified: 9/18/2007 Other Languages: Français, Español, Viewed: 2584 More Info Less Info Copy Link Bookmark Add to Favorites Print Provide Feedback Helpful Not Helpful View My Bookmarks 524 857 Title: How to Retrieve Flash Codes From the Ford 5R110W Transmission Applies To: CF-500, CF-600, CityStar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DESCRIPTION Use information below for DTC Retrieval, code clearing, and flash code interpretation. Transmission DTC Retrieval In addition to providing optimum shift point schedules, conditional modes, and protective failure modes, the TCM also logs diagnostic trouble codes to help pinpoint problems in the various systems. Transmission DTCs can be retrieved and cleared either with on-board flash codes or off -board using the EZ-Tech. Flash Code DTC Retrieval The Ford 5R110W transmission can communicate fault codes to the operator through flash signals without using special tools. To retrieve codes, use the following steps: Turn the key on, but don't start the engine. Place the shift selector in M2, OR any position if the transmission range sensor is faulted. Change the "Tow/Haul" switch state TWICE within 4 seconds after turning the key on. Once "code retrieval" is initiated, the following sequence of events will communicate the existing fault codes: All 3 lamps, Check Trans, Trans Temp, and Tow/Haul turn on to show the "diagnostic mode" The "Check Trans" and "Trans Temp" lamps extinguish, but "Tow/Haul" remains on to show the current status of the code retrieval mode. If no codes are active, the "Check Trans" lamp will flash 111. If codes are present, each code flashes through the "Check Trans" lamp. Each digit will be separated by a pause. A flash of the "Trans Temp" lamp separates each Code. When all codes have been flashed, "Trans Temp" will flash twice and the "Tow/Haul" lamp will go out. Use ISIS to identify all Diagnostic Trouble Codes. Remedy all identifiable causes. Then clear all codes with the following procedure. Code Clearing: The following process will clear all stored codes: Turn the Key ON but don't start the Engine. With the gear selector in "D", Push the "Tow/Haul" switch. Then, move the gear selector to "N", and Push the "Tow/Haul" switch. Then move the gear selector to "R", and push the "Tow/Haul" switch Finally, move the gear selector to "P" and Push the "Tow/Haul" switch All three lamps flash three times to signal the successful clearing of codes. Once the codes are cleared, recheck for faults to be sure all problems have been remedied. EZ-Tech DTC Retrieval Connect the EZ-TECH to the 9-pin data port under the instrument panel using the IC4 cable. From the default EZ-TECH home page choose Transmission Diagnostics, then choose Ford 5R110W to launch the diagnostics software. Once the diagnostic software is launched, the Self Test tool allows the technician to perform the following tests to extract diagnostic trouble codes from the TCM Run the Key On / Engine Off / On Demand Self-Test Run the Key On / Engine Running / On Demand Self-Test OBD-II Diagnostic Trouble Codes Flash Code OBD-II Code Description 111 No Codes Found 112 P0657 Actuator Supply Voltage A Circuit / Open 113 P0706 Transmission Range Sensor A Circuit Range/Performance 114 P0707 Transmission Range Sensor A Circuit Low Input 115 P0708 Transmission Range Sensor A Circuit High Input 121 P0710 Transmission Fluid Temperature Sensor A Circuit 122 P0711 Transmission Fluid Temperature Sensor A Circuit Range/ Performance 123 P0712 Transmission Fluid Temperature Sensor A Circuit Low Input 124 P0713 Transmission Fluid Temperature Sensor A Circuit High Input 125 P0715 Turbine/input Shaft Speed Sensor A Circuit 131 P0717 Turbine/Input Shaft Speed Sensor A Circuit No Signal 132 P0718 Turbine/Input Shaft Speed Sensor A Circuit Intermittent 133 P0720 Output Shaft Speed Sensor Circuit 134 P0721 Output Shaft Speed Sensor Circuit Range/Performance 135 P0722 Output Shaft Speed Sensor Circuit No Signal 141 P0730 Incorrect Gear Ratio 142 P0740 Torque Converter Clutch Solenoid Circuit / Open 143 P0741 Torque Converter Clutch Solenoid Circuit Performance or Stuck Off 144 P0742 Torque Converter Clutch Solenoid Circuit Stuck On 145 P0743 Torque Converter Clutch Solenoid Circuit Electrical 151 P0744 Torque Converter Clutch Solenoid Circuit Intermittent 152 P0748 Pressure Control Solenoid A Electrical 153 P0750 Shift Solenoid A 154 P0751 Shift Solenoid A 155 P0752 Shift Solenoid A 211 P0753 Shift Solenoid A Electrical 212 P0755 Shift Solenoid B 213 P0756 Shift Solenoid B 214 P0757 Shift Solenoid B 215 P0758 Shift Solenoid B Electrical 221 P0760 Shift Solenoid C 222 P0761 Shift Solenoid C 223 P0762 Shift Solenoid C 224 P0763 Shift Solenoid C Electrical 225 P0765 Shift Solenoid D 231 P0766 Shift Solenoid D 232 P0767 Shift Solenoid D 233 P0768 Shift Solenoid D Electrical 234 P0770 Shift Solenoid E 235 P0771 Shift Solenoid E 241 P0772 Shift Solenoid E 242 P0773 Shift Solenoid E Electrical 243 P0791 Intermediate Shaft Speed Sensor A Circuit 244 P0793 Intermediate Shaft Speed Sensor A Circuit No Signal 245 P0794 Intermediate Shaft Speed Sensor A Circuit Intermittent 314 P0960 Pressure Control Solenoid A Control Circuit / Open 315 P0962 Pressure Control Solenoid A Control Circuit Low 321 P0963 Pressure Control Solenoid A Control Circuit High 323 P0973 Shift Solenoid A Control Circuit Low 324 P0974 Shift Solenoid A Control Circuit High 331 P0976 Shift Solenoid B Control Circuit Low 332 P0977 Shift Solenoid B Control Circuit High 334 P0979 Shift Solenoid C Control Circuit Low 335 P0980 Shift Solenoid C Control Circuit High 342 P0982 Shift Solenoid D Control Circuit Low 343 P0983 Shift Solenoid D Control Circuit High 345 P0985 Shift Solenoid E Control Circuit Low 351 P0986 Shift Solenoid E Control Circuit High 354 P1001 KOER Not Able to Complete, KOER Aborted 355 P1397 System Voltage Out Of Self Test Range 411 P1501 Vehicle Speed Sensor Out Of Self Test Range 412 P1702 Transmission Range Sensor Circuit Intermittent 413 P1705 Transmission Range Circuit Not Indicating Park/Neutral During Self Test 414 P1711 Transmission Fluid Temperature Sensor Out Of Self Test Range 415 P1729 4X4 Switch 421 P1744 Torque Converter Clutch Solenoid Circuit Performance 422 P1780 Transmission Control Switch (O/D Cancel) Circuit Out Of Self Test Range 423 P1783 Transmission Overtemperature 424 P1910 Reverse Lamp Control Circuit / Open 425 P2700 Transmission Friction Element A Apply Time Range/Performance 431 P2701 Transmission Friction Element B Apply Time Range/Performance 432 P2702 Transmission Friction Element C Apply Time Range/Performance 433 P2703 Transmission Friction Element D Apply Time Range/Performance 434 P2704 Transmission Friction Element E Apply Time Range/Performance 435 U0100 Lost Communication With ECM / PCM A 999 No Translation for Fault -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robp823 Posted November 25, 2012 Author Share Posted November 25, 2012 Thanks Bruce.Yes im a dealer tech but like i said this is not at the dealer.Its a friends of mine.I have DLC2 on my own laptop but not the trans program to talk to it.I thought there was a program on the EZtech at work that talked to them but wasnt sure.I knew that they were pretty much the same truck as a citystar.Only been with international for a little over a year.Anyway thanks for the info.Ill go tommarow and see what codes i can get out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Wow. I don't recall ever coming across a transmission problem with an LCF personally. The closest thing for me would have been wiring problems under the front of the cab - harness shorting out on brackets and such. I wrote an article on it ---> http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/articles/article-05-18.php which is something to take a quick look at as your erratic symptoms might be caused by a harness issue. I also agree that engine performance problems can show up with poor transmission operation. The info Bruce posted should help you if you can access a code - just remember that the LCF trucks being diagnosed at a Ford dealer require IDS to communicate with the TCM which is separate from the engine PCM on these trucks. This means connect to the 16 pin DLC... not the 9-pin diagnostic connector. The International diagnostic software we have won't connect to the TCM at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Bruene Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 I always check the wiring behind the grille on early LCFs with ANY weird electrical problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselD Posted November 26, 2012 Share Posted November 26, 2012 I did a few transmissions in LCFs but all for water ingestion. They would do some weird crap depending on how bad the water ingestion was. Depending on the body that was installed they would tend drip water right on the dipstick conveniently left unseated by the customer.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robp823 Posted November 28, 2012 Author Share Posted November 28, 2012 I was able to flash codes out of it tonight.I have p0706 and p0707.I gotta get the vin. Maybe someone could run it for me for TSB's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted November 28, 2012 Share Posted November 28, 2012 Those are TR sensor codes... Shifter/linkage adjustment is suspect and electrical testing of the TR-P sensor and vehicle harness. I found no relative TSB's for the condition or codes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robp823 Posted November 28, 2012 Author Share Posted November 28, 2012 thank you keith.Going to check the usual rub spots tonight and do some testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robp823 Posted December 1, 2012 Author Share Posted December 1, 2012 Found the problem.The trans harness was rubbed against the external filter mounting bracket.The only problem is when i went to return the truck it was dark out and noticed the truck had no headlights.Checked voltage going to headlamp relay,only 2v.ahhhhhhhhhhh!The saga continues! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Most Excellent! We love to hear feedback on what you find!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robp823 Posted December 8, 2012 Author Share Posted December 8, 2012 Found the problem with the headlamps as well.One of the connectors behind the grill connector c133.Found the headlamp power circuit wire pregnant with corrosion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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