Tony302600 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 I was at our roundtable last week, and i asked the international engineer about the one-piece STC fitting that bruce showed us a picture of. He didnt know what i was talking about and wanted me to send him a picture of it. I sent him one and today he sent me a response saying "Tony, This fitting did go into production for the 6.0L 2008 E-series and the LCF 4.5L V-6. V8 break: The ESN break was 431736 on 2/9/07. V6 break: The ESN break was 431705 on 2/8/07. It is also suppose to replace the current STC bracket kit for service." So there it is gentalmen, straight from the horses mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 But oddly, this engineer from International had no idea what you were talking about. Interesting. I am glad that you are hearing of things and learning from this forum. Is the round table you mention "the round table" from Ford? ... and thank you for the update on the STC fitting! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/thumbup.gif ... and is this confidential info? I might like to post a quick article on the fitting. This kind of stuff is good for the DTS site and brings attention to to the site. ... and, of course, I would also need Bruce's blessing to use the photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony302600 Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 Keith, he did not say n e thing about keeping it confidential. If it was meant to be confidential i'm sure he wouldnt have said n e thing to me at all. Yes it was a Ford Round table also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARRY BRUDZYNSKI Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Did he give part #'s for the fitting??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Amacker Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 ... and, of course, I would also need Bruce's blessing to use the photo. Of course you can use the picture! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/thumbup.gif The part number for the STC update kit with this new fitting is IH p/n 1879930c91. I don't think FMC has it available yet. I would think you guys would get the info before I would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony302600 Posted December 15, 2007 Author Share Posted December 15, 2007 I checked today and the parts guys said, they still show the quick disconnect on the exploided view for a 08 e-series. I'm sure we will see a TSB or SSM soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 I have scraped together an article on this topic. I thank Tony and Bruce for their contributions to it. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/thumbup.gif New One-Piece High Pressure Oil Connector Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 I caught this in the random member photo display. Posted by mchan68 - Mike? Is this a FORD packaged part? Part number? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARRY BRUDZYNSKI Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 I'll bet if you look it up as a kit it should pop up, since Blue Diamond got their hands in it, it has went according to IH parts practices. When you guys need something have your parts guy look it up as a "kit" first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchan68 Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Sorry for taking so long to reply, Keith. No, there is no Ford part number available as of yet for this kit. After seeing this post about the availability of this part, curiosity got the better of me so I went out to the nearest Navistar store to purchase it. Included in the kit is everything that I've laid out in the photo post. I was going to post it, but I don't know how to add photos in posts. I'm not computer literate LOL. Speaking of Navistar, I priced out some parts from them for a retail job just for comparison purposes, and noticed the prices are actually more expensive than they are from Ford. Anyone else noticed that too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Amacker Posted January 11, 2008 Share Posted January 11, 2008 Sorry for taking so long to reply, Keith. No, there is no Ford part number available as of yet for this kit. After seeing this post about the availability of this part, curiosity got the better of me so I went out to the nearest Navistar store to purchase it. Included in the kit is everything that I've laid out in the photo post. I was going to post it, but I don't know how to add photos in posts. I'm not computer literate LOL. Go to PhotoPost and open the picture. At the bottom of the screen is a big button that says, "Copy to Clipboard". Press this button. Open a post, or respond to a post and right click with your mouse and select, "Paste", or use Control/V on your keyboard. It will post a link to the picture and the pic will now be in the post. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/thumbup.gif Speaking of Navistar, I priced out some parts from them for a retail job just for comparison purposes, and noticed the prices are actually more expensive than they are from Ford. Anyone else noticed that too? I agree. It used to be the other way around, but things are changing. Sometimes IH is cheaper than FMC, sometimes it's the other way around. I tell people to price both. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 Can you use this kit at the dealership yet. I know you couldn't for warranty but what about costumer pay anybody know???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted January 16, 2008 Share Posted January 16, 2008 If it doesn't have a Ford part number then Ford will not approve it or pay for it. But there is nothing stopping you otherwise I should think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blown99 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I had the pleasure of installing one of these new kits today. I thought it was a bit more difficult vs the snap together + bracket design. It requires you to measure the depth of the STC joint with a gauge bar, install the pump, install one stc joint ot branch tube bolt, then install a tool (anti rotational tool) that threads into the other branch tube to joint hole. Then use the flare nut socket to torque it. The flare nut socket does not fit due to the casting of the block on one side. This required me to grind the socket to fit. The torque spec is 53 ft/lbs. The anti rotational tool bent. A couple more times and I am sure it will break. A one foot bar attatched to a 4mm ? bolt that is threaded into the branch tube. Of course the bolt section is going to bend at 53 ft/lbs. The instructions also tell you to bend the branch tube to make it fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff_E Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Just dont use the rear eng cover as a fulcrum against which to pry - they can crack easily...ask my co-worker how he knows /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/hitthefan.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony302600 Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 Hotline told us u CANNOT bend the branch tube back. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shrug.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Clayton Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I bolt the pump/stc fitting to the branch tube first then pull the pump body forward and down over the dowels on the block, had good success doing this so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Amacker Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Hotline told us u CANNOT bend the branch tube back. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shrug.gif Then what's their decision, change the branch tube on all of them? That's hard to believe. I bet that was ONE guy at Hotline, not their general consensus. IH says to bend the branch tube back. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/rolleyes.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony302600 Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 Bruce, I dont know anymore...LoL...its a lost battle in the Ford Diesel world..you call hotline one guys says "to-may-to" ...the other says..no way its "to-mah-to." Then you call back and the third guy says " what the heck are those 2 talking bout...its "Po-tay-to."" then warranty gets a hold of it and /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/readthis.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/hitthefan.gif.... And Bruce i was talking about when they blow through the cover...not all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blown99 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I've had two in a row now that had the heads of the bolts shear off the stc/branch tube when the fitting broke and the bracket slammed into the flywheel housing. They are cast iron on the IH, bit stronger than the aluminum that you guys see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony302600 Posted April 29, 2008 Author Share Posted April 29, 2008 TSB 08-09-09 is out utilizing this i peiece fitting if anyone has seen it already... told you guy's a matter of time before this came out from when i was at the roundtable meeting. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/thumbup.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchan68 Posted April 29, 2008 Share Posted April 29, 2008 I just tried searching for the TSB. It doesn't exist yet. Is there a part number or labour op info for this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamageINC Posted April 29, 2008 Share Posted April 29, 2008 Yeah, the new kit is PN# 4C3Z-9B246-C "ICP Fitting Kit". It looks like you should be able to get 9.1 hours for an F-series STC fitting when claiming the proper labor ops - and there are a lot of them. This TSB supersedes the old high-pressure diagnostic TSB I think, it has updated times for everything. Basically, it looks like you will get 4.2 hours for high-pressure diagnostics (labor ops A and E) and then any associated part replacement on top of that (so an F-series pays 4.9 for the nwe fitting, plus the diag ops) There are seperate labor ops for replacing injectors causing ICP leaks, Branch tubes, everything... actually looks like it'll pay out more than the old TSB did. (For example, you can now get 19.9 for a branch tube on an F-series instead of the ABSURD 14-something from before.) Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekanik Posted April 30, 2008 Share Posted April 30, 2008 I'm currently right in the middle of a STC fitting job and I'm also replacing a couple D rings too. The vehicle came in yesterday when the TSB came out. Will Ford bounce the claim if I put the old STC fitting in the truck? Are parts avail. yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony302600 Posted April 30, 2008 Author Share Posted April 30, 2008 I would put the new one on, No way would I put the crappy 2 piece on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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