mchan68

There was a thread about this on message board that got deleted today.

I remembered riding mostly in International school buses, some Chevy school buses (I'm guessing equipped with the 366 engines) and some Ford school buses (some older ones which I assume were equipped with the 361 engines and even some '80 and up with the 370). My all time favourite engine sound was the 345 engines in the Internationals. Call me crazy if you will for remembering such useless, stupid information, but these engines just had that very unique "whine" to them that stood out which I don't know how to describe. The way that guy in the video is driving that truck, completely reminds me of how one particular driver used to drive this bus making him my favourite driver. He was revving it up really high, just like the driver in the video there. I also remembered one particular year in which all the buses assigned to the drivers were automatics just for that one year, and thinking how weird it was, riding in them as the engine roared along while being accompanied by a very powerful whine from that automatic transmission to go along with the familiar sound of the engines of the various brands. I remembered a couple occasions where these automatic buses were so gutless that the driver had to put on the hazards when climbing a hill because it wouldn't go any faster than about 40 mph if I remembered right.

Either way, it appears the direction this repair is taking will be a body-off and/or engine-out type of scenario the way things are looking.

This engine is DONE like Aaron said. I wouldn't waste another minute on it. Tell the certified "diesel tech" to fix it himself. If they want you to fix it, quote LARGE (in other words, if their eyeballs are bulging out of their eye sockets when you submit the quote, you aren't quoting high enough).

According to the VIN provided, this vehicle is a 2008 Explorer Sport Trac, red in colour, equipped with a 3.55 rear axle ratio. It is also listed as a rear wheel drive. The digits above highlighted in bold red identify it as a rear wheel drive. If it were an all wheel drive equipped Sport Trac, the digits should be U23. Not sure how much this helps if any.

That would be the two speed rear axle switch if I recall correctly. Since most trucks of that era were gas jobs lacking the low end torque of most modern diesels of today, I guess extra torque multiplication was needed. On a different note, I don't remember seeing any school bus applications I rode in, equipped as such. If I recall correctly, they were all straight five speeds, where 1st gear was never used.

Is that what those "thingys" (to put it into girly terms for lack of a better way to describe it) that look similar to amp clamps are on a lot of these new F-150s?

I guess that doesn't apply to E-Series either then, since the kit for E-Series trucks doesn't include the cover.

Wow, the sounds of this engine rings so familiar to the International Loadstar bus I used to ride when I was a kid: Most of you probably wouldn't have a clue as to why I'm posting this, since I guess Jim would likely be the only one old enough to remember the engine that the vehicle in the above video is equipped with. All I remember, is the distinct whine of that engine in the International buses as it revved up, was way unique and different from the Chevy and Ford school buses of that era. What I would do right now, to get behind the wheel of one now (five speed and all) just to relive those memories. I know most of you likely think I'm crazy for posting this.

There's no excuse for this type of crap to go on at all. Given the fact that every filter comes with a new o-ring, I can't see why anyone would be too lazy to change it out. That's just like removing the new rubber gasket from a new spin on style oil filter and reusing the oil rubber ring in my opinion. Now, when upselling a new oil filter cap (which I'm sure many of us have had to) due to the vehicle having one of those garbage aftermarket oil filters, sure we're going to have an extra oil filter o-ring to put in our box, since both the new filter and cap both come with them leaving one extra.

Okay, I'll bite. For the record, I hate working on 6.0L E-Series which most of you already know. BUT, I will not refuse to work on them by any means. As most of them are now well out of warranty, I will quote the labour cost of the repair accordingly depending on level of difficulty, and still come out ahead despite having my chest and arms all scratched up to ratshit by the end of the job. And I'm no big guy either. But at least at the end of it, I can sleep at night knowing that I executed the repair to the best of my ability routing every last little connector, part of wiring harness and tube back to their original locations, in an attempt to make it appear as though it had never been apart. And I'm no speed demon or star tech by any means either. And in all fairness to the other techs from indy shops, I and all the other dealer techs wrench for the most part exclusively on our brand. Indy techs wrench on different makes and models everyday, therefore they don't have the luxury of knowing where every component and fastener goes back like we do. As far as silly snotting wiring connectors go, if it were me, it's either getting a wiring pigtail or harness, or I don't do the repair at all, plain and simple. The unfortunate truth here guys, is that for every one of us that are regular visitors/posters on this and many other forums who actually do give a rat's tail about the workmanship in every repair we put through, how many other techs are there out there who don't come on forums, seeking assistance and posting do you think DON'T?

Jim and the rest of you fortunate members outside of Ontario, read on: http://www.collegeoftrades.ca/membership I vaguely recall reading a post by Alex awhile back, but didn't think much of it until I received my letter.

Is that an affirmative for $120 PER YEAR for us Ontario mechanics? I just got my letter two days ago regarding this. After reading through a few paragraphs, I lost patience and dismissed it as toilet paper.

Stupid question. Are Canadian 6.0L truck owners included in any of this?

https://sites.google.com/site/huntersfordtruck/

Power Balance with weak cylinder contribution strategy disabled.

I have two turbos in my possession. One from an '03 and one from an '05. I might consider tackling this project if I ever get any spare time.

I just did one of these beauties not too long ago, and let me tell you I'd rather do 6.0L or 6.4L than one of these!!! Oh, and by the way the engine won't exactly be available for the next day either, so she had better plan on making other transportation arrangements.

I still have yet to get my VCM II to work wirelessly since purchasing it late in December. I've been happy just to use it hard-wired.

So they likely ended up in another tech's toolbox. You know, this sounds exactly like a situation I had been through years ago on an E-Series that wouldn't start once up to operating temperature. The OASIS also showed that the STC had been replaced recently, so here I was chasing a high pressure oil leak that sounded like it was cover from the STC as well. Low and behold, when I pulled the pump cover, it still had the original STC.

Just throwing a guess out there, but I vaguely recall some GM products were known to have A/C condensor leaks on a few models of that era. I would check around the outside components to see if there was was evidence of any leaks visually as a start.

Jim, I'm impressed. You speak (and write) English very well.

.... and you will be surprised at how "well" these engines will continue to run being off time by as much as a tooth and a half. What you or the customer might perceive as a "tiny shake" at idle might tell you a whole different story, if you were to have access to a scan tool that can pull up a pictograph power balance screen. Unfortunately, with our IDS if you attempt such a feat, you may end up getting booted out with a pop-up screen advising you to correct CMP/CKP synchronization first. Although I haven't tried it yet, if you have access to such a tool, you might want to clear the code first and then re-attempt to enter the power balance screen. If you do manage to gain access to it, there shouldn't be any more that needs to be said.

So how long are Ford's plans to keep a diesel option for the F-150 shelved, in favour of the EcoBoost? www.usatoday.com

Broken timing chain guide, or other issue causing engine to jump time.