mchan68 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Bruce, that 427 is likely a tall deck (10.200") motor.I'm assuming you are referring to the 366/427 engine. Did those engines use the same bellhousing bolt patterns that all other Chevy CAR/LIGHT TRUCK engines used, or are those unique to the medium duty truck application to accomodate the circular style patterns on truck trannies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted December 4, 2009 Author Share Posted December 4, 2009 Pretty much everything is the same, the water pumps are different and they used a gear driven camshaft as opposed to a chain drive if memory serves me rightly. 9.800 is the standard deck height for a big Chevy. 366/427 is basically the same external dimensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Amacker Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 I'm pretty sure the bellhousing pattern is the same, I know a guy who put a car 327 in a C60 years ago. I don't think Chevy ever used a circular style bellhousing pattern on gassers. Some of the MD engines did have an extra bellhousing bolt at the top "peak" of the bell pattern IIRC. Rumor was this identified a 4 bolt main or something, but I think that was proven wrong in the long run. I still think it would fit in my car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Amacker Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Ecoboost '34 from SEMA. I remember seeing that car, it was sweet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cetane Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Thats not me, he's a lot better looking than I am. I think its a picture from SEMA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted December 4, 2009 Author Share Posted December 4, 2009 I'm pretty sure the bellhousing pattern is the same, I know a guy who put a car 327 in a C60 years ago. I don't think Chevy ever used a circular style bellhousing pattern on gassers. Some of the MD engines did have an extra bellhousing bolt at the top "peak" of the bell pattern IIRC. Rumor was this identified a 4 bolt main or something, but I think that was proven wrong in the long run. I still think it would fit in my car. We can make ANYTHING fit However....I'd think a Sonny Leonard 762 inch big chevy would be a nice fit in there As an aside - the LS series (gen III) small block have the extra bell bolt at the top of the bell that you mentioned, as well as some of the truck blocks. I forget the exact trans configuration that was in those things, likely an SM465 in most of the 'lighter' stuff. Let me get the ol' Chevy literature out when I get home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Adema Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 This old truck has an Allison MT series transmission, which is the mid-size design for that era, so it may have an adapter plate between the open bottom engine flywheel housing and the transmission's full-round torque converter housing. I remember replacing a trans on an early 80's C60 with a 366 and an MT, I believe that was the case with that truck. As an aside, if this guy walks from this truck (I'm just putting that out there) I'd love to put that 427 in something like a '32 Ford 'A' or a T-bucket. I've also got a line on some early Hemi's, can't remember if they're 354 Red Rams or 392 cid. My wife has an uncle down south with an early 60's Dodge truck so equipped, and a new or reman engine for it sitting in his shop. Hmmmmmm, imagine that in an open hood roadster..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Amacker Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 I'm pretty sure you're right about the adapter on the MT series. I'm not much of a Mopar fan except for the Hemis. I still drool like mad when I see one. Maybe someday.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Adema Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Make that someday TODAY, Bruce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted December 5, 2009 Author Share Posted December 5, 2009 MOPAR = Mostly Old Parts And Rust EXTREME PRO STOCK 932 CU. IN. SEMI-HEMISPHERICAL 5.300" BORE SPACING 2100HP GM SEMI-HEMISPHERICAL HEADED ENGINE 5.080" BORE X 5.750" STROKE NATURALLY ASPIRATED (NO NITROUS) 2100 HP @ 8100 1475 LBS. Torque @ 6500 PRICE $89,300.00 I want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted December 5, 2009 Author Share Posted December 5, 2009 NINE HUNDRED THIRTY TWO CUBIC INCHES. That's like 15 litres for those keepin count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Adema Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Absolutely disgusting, in a very desirable way. Kinda like a hot girl in a trailer park. Or a chili cheese dog. 2100 horsepower, at 8000+ rpm, that would sound pretty freakin awesome with short stacks. Earplugs definitely recommended! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warman Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Pretty much everything is the same, the water pumps are different and they used a gear driven camshaft as opposed to a chain drive if memory serves me rightly. 9.800 is the standard deck height for a big Chevy. 366/427 is basically the same external dimensions. The 366/427/454 truck engines (also called marine engines) were tall engines using a different block casting than the 396/402/427/454 car engines (these two truck engines had three compression rings on the pistons). IIRC, bell housing flange was different, to. The engines still had timing chains but I recall it being a double row roller chain rather than the light duty "silent" chain. Intake manifolds will not interchange. Here, the memory gets real fuzzy, real fast... I believe that the camshaft was also mounted higher in the block making the chain longer... but I have the nagging feeling I have this confused with another engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted December 7, 2009 Author Share Posted December 7, 2009 No, you're right on the raised cam location. I believe all the "truck" motors were 4-bolt main. Like you said...memory is kinda fuzzy -- Intakes are different, distributor is different, I believe the water pump is different too. It's funny though, most of the aftermarket guys are using 10.200 blocks. Bruce - I think you should build yourself a factory appearing motor. Alum headed 435hp/427 appearing with 3 2's on it...yet the bottom end, she's 540 cubic inches, with air flow research 357CC magnum heads, and a full rollerized valvetrain. Or a ZL1 motor....aluminum everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Amacker Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 '63s never came with big blocks, so I'd have to cut the crossmember a bit to put one in. I'd probably rather put a high revving smallblock in it with the Rochester FI setup I've been sitting on. I passed up a great car a few years ago that I should have bought- '63 SWC pilot car SN#21 for $35K. A pilot car is just that- completely handmade, with hand laid FG panels and a lot of little doodads that are different than regular production cars. I was in the process of selling the shop so it was a bad time for me so I turned on one of my buddies to it and he bought it. That car, restored, is worth the better part of $150K, even in today's market, as they only built 25 of them and only 11 are known to exist (IIRC). It's a running, driving, decent looking car with the wrong motor in it, but what a frigging great investment. I bug my buddy regularly to sell it to me, but NFW... SWC's have not lost much value lately when compared to other midyear Vettes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Posted December 7, 2009 Author Share Posted December 7, 2009 You wanna buy my longblock? 427 cubic inch small block chevy, Dart Little M block, 13.6:1 compression, Airflow Research 235CC heads, all Lunati bottom end with Wiseco pistons and a camshaft innovations custom solid roller cam, T&D Shaftmount rocker arms. It's got a super victor CNC ported by Airflow research with a 1050 Holley Dominator carb up top. Preliminary figuring puts it between 750-800hp on the motor...and I have a fogger to install later. Should be good to about 8500 or so before you need to shift it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Amacker Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Yowza! What are you putting that in? I'm not really interested in buying the 427, just idle chatter right now. Oddly enough, I just put a 2180 stroker in my VW Karmann Ghia, so that's my current "project toy". The Vette is "done" as far as I'm concerned. It's stone stock numbers match and restored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Clayton Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 Not much going on at the moment, a few diesel jobs here and there. A 7.3 oil pan and a 6.0 short block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Browning Posted March 26, 2011 Share Posted March 26, 2011 AHHHHHHH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Warman Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 How about an Edge w/ MyFordTouch and every other electronic nightmare novelty and a 6.7 that has all the power in the world until you hook a trailer to it. Let's not forget the 6.0 with DieselCare and it really should get 8 injectors. The impossible merely takes a little longer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Amacker Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 6.7 that has all the power in the world until you hook a trailer to it. A 6.7 locally got a ring and pinion for the exact same reason 'cause the dipshit salesman specced it wrong. Check the ratio. Speaking of 6.7s I'm finally tearing mine down. Head off, a couple of pistons out, front cover off, HPFP off. That aluminum head is light as a feather! No huge surprises yet on design, pretty good overall. Front seal has a grit guard that was stuck to the crank and wouldn't let the cover slide off. I'm still wondering about CMP access in-chassis with that monster aluminum bracket partially blocking it. Upper pan has two big long passageways cast into it for oil suction and delivery to the cooler. I don't have the tools yet, so no injector puller. (They've been on Ebay but I'm waiting until the price comes down to a G.) I remember in training the injectors didn't seem very tight. A prybar wouldn't get them out but I discovered the if you invert the crab it works great for a puller. There's a million bolts in this thing, I can't believe you guys can put in a long block and know where every bolt goes. I'm glad I don't have to put this thing together so it runs- I'm rusty to the core on wrenching. Shot 500+ pics in the last couple of days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchan68 Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 2005 E-450 with all of 45,000 original kms. (out of warranty by time CHA-CHING!!!) on the clock getting a set of coolers. In my next bay, a 2009 MKS for a set of phasers. Depending on how the week progresses, I may have a 2004 Excursion 6.0L coming in that the owner wants me to "bullet proof" for him as an SJ ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Saunoras Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 At this time of night i figure there's a least one varmint making its rounds in my stall......maybe feeding off crumbs on top my toolbox no cars, no carryovers, aint that nice. we'll see if my manifolds/uppipe 6.4 shows up tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchan68 Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 we'll see if my manifolds/uppipe 6.4 shows up tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmorris Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 2008 F350 with 116,443 km on it. Spewing coolant out the degas. Egr coolers dry as a popcorn fart. Off come the heads and I hope I find something for warranty to pay for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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