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Please, don't even get me started on them!!! Just curious. What do the rest of you guys think, every time you drive by a bunch of picketers waving placards "HANDS OFF MY PENSION" or other such similarly asinine slogans, obstructing traffic? Do any of YOU ever feel the need to show support to these idiots? I know I don't!!!

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This would be the problem I have with your method. How do you access those bolts in-vehicle? The lower two, I don't have a problem with. We are talking about an F-Series, correct?

Ditto on that. It seems EGT_13 seems to be the more commonly failing item on these animals, causing a no-crank no-start condition.

Have you tried starting it by jumping the single yellow with light blue striped wire, on the passenger side in the engine compartment, to B+ with the key on?

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They couldn't rely on the police to show up if an Indian raiding party showed up at their isolated cabin at 3 AM. There was no school lunch program on the Oregon Trail. If your buggy whip company was going out of business because of those new fangled auto-mo-biles, you didn't get 20 billion dollars in taxpayer money so you could open up a new branch in China, you went out of business. If our ancestors were alive, they would sneer in disdain at what a nation full of whining babies their descendants have become. 2) Short Attention Spans: Perhaps because of the internet, the stunning variety of news sources, or the complexity of modern society, we've become much less able as a people to follow logical arguments and deal with complex messages. This has bled over into Congress where they write legislation dealing with issues they don't truly understand. 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They're just so darn sure that what they believe is right just by virtue of the fact they believe it. Traditions? Codes of conduct? Religious beliefs? Customs? There's no need to even understand why previous generations believed what they did or to question what purpose it served. Just remember that they were racist back then and so they couldn't have had any good ideas. Of course, we don't look back and say, "Gee? How did they make it without welfare, social security, or an income tax? Why is it that they had a divorce rate that was a fraction of the one we had today? How is it that the crime rate was so much lower? What made the people so much more polite than they are today? If we were in the same situation as the Founding Fathers, could our political leaders step up to the plate and do as well?" Because we have forgotten the mistakes that convinced our forefathers to adopt the policies and mores that they did, in our ignorance we will be doomed to make many of those same mistakes again. 4) Short Term Thinking/Instant Gratification: Thomas Sowell once said that killing the goose that laid the golden egg can be a viable election strategy as long as it doesn't die until you're out of office and no one finds your prints on the murder weapon. That is played out in American politics on a daily basis where few politicians think farther ahead than the next election. Time and time again, we have politicians advocating policies that either bring immediate benefits or avoid short-term pain, but are extremely harmful to the country over the long-term. That is primarily how government has gotten so out of control. A problem occurs. In an effort to get re-elected, politicians rush to create a program to "fix" it. 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The new President shows minimal concern about terrorism, nobody is talking about bridges anymore, and Congress has already started encouraging more bad housing loans. That's because the moment a story drops from the day's news cycle, it goes down the memory hole for most people. That is no way to run a nation. 5) Immorality: The default mode of Hollywood is hedonism and we've been told again and again, at least since the Clinton years, that character doesn't matter for our elected officials. The problem with this is that character does matter -- quite a bit, actually. Our leaders are corrupt to the core -- and that's not just the ones who are in violation of our laws, which have been crafted in order to allow staggering amounts of corruption to be done legally. The families of politicians are given plum jobs and paid ridiculous sums of money in order to gain influence with legislators. Government earmarks that aid campaign contributors or family members of Congress are common. 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The corrosive effects of this decline are seen not just in our government, but all throughout our society in the size of our prison population, the number of unmarried women having children, drug use, school shootings, and even our staggering abortion rate.

I've replaced quite a few of my share myself, for leaking through the center and/or the gauge reading no pressure at idle and increasing as the engine is revved up.

This is the exact reason why I will never quote Contis on any vehicle needing them in my bay, be that Tauruses, Escapes or any other vehicle that came with them. Michelins or Hankooks are my favourites. They seem to be holding out much better, especially the Hankooks on 250 and higher series trucks.

Okay, if the shop doesn't have a scan tool, all it takes is a little reading to determine that LFCs (lamp fault codes) can be obtained by simply counting the flashes of the SRS indicator at key-on, and then proceeding with the appropriate pinpoint test.

I love having this job booked in as a "waiter", after the guy has driven to China and back, leaving the engine piping hot for me to burn myself on.

Off the record, I always do BOTH coolers. My way of looking at it, is a warranty claim detail history looks far cleaner with ONE major repair, as opposed to multiple major repairs.

Any previous repairs on this vehicle?

1.0 hour.

As of June 8th, 2009 it looks like us Canadians will be required to obtain prior approval for 6.0L repairs just like those of you south of the border. HOOOOOOOORAAAAYYYYYYY!!!

Funny you should mention that. Neither have I. And I was just thinking of asking if anyone else has when I posted this.

Has anyone ever had any success with this EGR cooler before? http://www.ntshoptools.com/Ford_Power_Stroke_EGR.html

Really? Why is that? I've been used to seeing ECT/EOT almost at identical temps after oil cooler replacement, up until my first oil cooler "rebuild" on this truck.

Well, injectors, coolers and a fuel pump it is (I was able to actually road test under load after the coolers when it wasn't smoking), for the win!!! HOWEVER, ECT/EOT spread is a little more than I'd like it to be. On good road test, I got ECT ranging between 158 to 163, while EOT remained steady during the whole drive at 167. It sure is a long way off from 195 to 210 for ECT while EOT was pegged up there at 230, prior to replacing the coolers. Anyone else done the new cooler "rebuild" finding similar ECT/EOT reading spreads like that? I prefer them to be almost dead on equal.

Yes, I ran it up to operating temperature, at least hot enough to get EOT to peg to 230. Due to the thickness of the smoke, I didn't want to run it any longer. My question is, and still is, how in the hell do SIX injectors fail mechanically all at once? I feel like I've fixed the symptom but not the cause. Here's another good question. Would a restricted oil cooler cause these injectors to fail in this manner?

YES. Interesting that you should ask. What is more interesting is that after the repair, the vehicle now starts and runs fine, but blowing PLUMES of white everywhere. While monitoring PIDs I noticed EOT pegged at 230, while ECT only got as high as 205 to 210. Soooooooooooooooooooooo, I guess I'll be throwing in both coolers in it too now (despite already having an EGR cooler replaced as one of the many parts from a previous no-start repair by another tech and our shop foreskin while I was in school. See previous post re:parts cannon). This is beginning to become one of "those" vehicles that just won't go away.

Precisely why I'm reluctant to replace all eight. I don't care if it comes back needing #2 and #6 shortly after. They can pay me again to do the job, unless I find something obvious tomorrow.

You know what, Keith? I was thinking the exact same thing. The only problem with replacing all eight would be to explain this to FoMoCo. Tomorrow, when the injectors arrive, I may even end up pulling cylinder #2 and #6 injectors (the "good ones) just to have a looky. I would feel a lot more comfortable determining what caused them to fail in the first place though.

Status Report: After rerunning the buzz test this morning, I have noticed that SIX of the EIGHT injectors DO NOT buzz. I have now plugged in the noid light tester into all eight connectors while cycling the key and running KOEO, and ALL produce good solid flashes. Soooooo, I have now determined that SIX injectors are faulty, MECHANICALLY (due to the fact it PASSES the buzz test). Now here's the question, how do I narrow down which of the six are the faulty injectors, short of pulling all eight to look for physical damage, if any will even be evident? It seems far-fetched to have that many fail at once, so what would be the root cause? Again, I repeat, fuel pressure is dead on at 56 psi.

Thanks for the suggestions so far guys. I guess my main question is, IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY OF HAVING BAD INJECTOR(S) THAT PASS THE INJECTOR BUZZ TEST? And if so, is there any way of determining this, without having to pull all eight to look for any physical damage, or anything obvious? Not that it matters, but this is the truck that came in as a no-start back in February of 2008 while I was in school, and our tranny tech and shop foreskin "unloaded the parts cannon" at. Heres the list of parts: